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		<title>Comment on Who should be more offended, branders or SM folk? by Chris Bevolo</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/07/who-should-be-more-offended-branders-or-sm-folk/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bevolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments, Nancy and Jonathon. Jonathon, ur right, I guess I have to agree with you on the take on the CSM quote. I was so focused on the dis to the chief branding officer (which, I do believe, is a valid position, with my bias hanging out there) - a chief social media officer is over the top. Not sure there really are any CSMs - are there? But the author&#039;s probably making this exaggeration to help demonstrate the chicken-with-their-heads-cut-off scramble of many orgs to staff for social media. Which is definitely a fair assessment.

I also took the tone of the article to discount the need for SM staff at all, but maybe I over-read it. We&#039;re having a heated debate on that topic internally, which will burst on the transom Monday when we release the next podcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments, Nancy and Jonathon. Jonathon, ur right, I guess I have to agree with you on the take on the CSM quote. I was so focused on the dis to the chief branding officer (which, I do believe, is a valid position, with my bias hanging out there) &#8211; a chief social media officer is over the top. Not sure there really are any CSMs &#8211; are there? But the author&#8217;s probably making this exaggeration to help demonstrate the chicken-with-their-heads-cut-off scramble of many orgs to staff for social media. Which is definitely a fair assessment.</p>
<p>I also took the tone of the article to discount the need for SM staff at all, but maybe I over-read it. We&#8217;re having a heated debate on that topic internally, which will burst on the transom Monday when we release the next podcast.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who should be more offended, branders or SM folk? by Jonathan Richman</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/07/who-should-be-more-offended-branders-or-sm-folk/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not I agree with the tone of the original article, I have to agree with the overall point. Social media shouldn&#039;t be the lead at any company. I think that&#039;s what he&#039;s getting at with this: “The chief social media officer may be supplanting the chief branding officer as the zaniest human resources innovation in memory.”

Social media (sorry, folks) is still just one channel that a company can use to market and communicate to its customers. If it take a place on top of the marketing pyramid, you&#039;ve got problems since social media cannot address every marketing challenge. That&#039;s why marketing needs to be the umbrella and lead function with social media under that (and not under PR either).

JMR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not I agree with the tone of the original article, I have to agree with the overall point. Social media shouldn&#8217;t be the lead at any company. I think that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s getting at with this: “The chief social media officer may be supplanting the chief branding officer as the zaniest human resources innovation in memory.”</p>
<p>Social media (sorry, folks) is still just one channel that a company can use to market and communicate to its customers. If it take a place on top of the marketing pyramid, you&#8217;ve got problems since social media cannot address every marketing challenge. That&#8217;s why marketing needs to be the umbrella and lead function with social media under that (and not under PR either).</p>
<p>JMR</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who should be more offended, branders or SM folk? by Candee Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/07/who-should-be-more-offended-branders-or-sm-folk/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Candee Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor choice of words by BW, but I understand the feeling of the &quot;chaotic rush&quot; you noted. I do believe social media has great merit, but also feel like we&#039;re headed down a similar path that led to the dot.com bubble burst. There isn&#039;t automatic gold at the end of this social media rush. Some are placing way too much importance on one particular tactic. Remember the days when new grads could make $70k working at a dot.com? Some days it feels like we&#039;re there again and I don&#039;t think the market can sustain that long-term just as it didn&#039;t 10 years ago.

I&#039;m sooo with you on the &quot;HR/Marketing&quot; heads. Recently heard of a MN travel related biz that did away w/ their CMO and replaced with a HR/Marketing VP. My thoughts of that company went down several notches. Hugely disappointing for the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor choice of words by BW, but I understand the feeling of the &#8220;chaotic rush&#8221; you noted. I do believe social media has great merit, but also feel like we&#8217;re headed down a similar path that led to the dot.com bubble burst. There isn&#8217;t automatic gold at the end of this social media rush. Some are placing way too much importance on one particular tactic. Remember the days when new grads could make $70k working at a dot.com? Some days it feels like we&#8217;re there again and I don&#8217;t think the market can sustain that long-term just as it didn&#8217;t 10 years ago.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sooo with you on the &#8220;HR/Marketing&#8221; heads. Recently heard of a MN travel related biz that did away w/ their CMO and replaced with a HR/Marketing VP. My thoughts of that company went down several notches. Hugely disappointing for the industry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who should be more offended, branders or SM folk? by Nancy Cawley Jean</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/07/who-should-be-more-offended-branders-or-sm-folk/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Cawley Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this Chris... some people still don&#039;t see the value in SM, or branding for that matter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this Chris&#8230; some people still don&#8217;t see the value in SM, or branding for that matter!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can advertising alone change your brand? by Chris Boyer</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/07/can-advertising-alone-change-your-brand/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though Old Spice attempted to repackage themselves with their new branding, the fact remains: it is still a smelly body fragrance with a similar chemical compound that my grandfather used.

Advertising does not replace or improve a brand - regardless of the company or industry; if it&#039;s a product or a service. Advertising might be able to move a consumer&#039;s mindset, but for only a limited amount of time. Soon enough, the consumer will wake up and smell the...aftershave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though Old Spice attempted to repackage themselves with their new branding, the fact remains: it is still a smelly body fragrance with a similar chemical compound that my grandfather used.</p>
<p>Advertising does not replace or improve a brand &#8211; regardless of the company or industry; if it&#8217;s a product or a service. Advertising might be able to move a consumer&#8217;s mindset, but for only a limited amount of time. Soon enough, the consumer will wake up and smell the&#8230;aftershave.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When I say refreshing drink, you think cancer treatment. by Keith Reynold Jennings</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/07/when-i-say-refreshing-drink-you-think-cancer-treatment/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Reynold Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

We&#039;re dealing with a lot of baggage and bias in the &quot;hospital marketing&quot; world, aren&#039;t we?  Here&#039;s a crazy line of thinking to stir discussion among agencies.

Hospitals are like malls, right?  The success of a mall is dependent on two primary factors: location and having the right stores.

Malls don&#039;t really need to advertise.  What they really need are in-demand stores that attract attention and shoppers.  Commodity stores equal commodity malls.

Hospitals are no different.  What patients really want are great doctors and medical services (i.e. cancer care or OB or cosmetic surgery, etc.).  Services that their friends and family (and doctor) insist are great.

The hospital marketing department has too many plates spinning.  They&#039;re dealing with media stories, planning and executing events, launching new programs, keeping the machine called marketing functioning.  They really have no time, unless they like to lose sleep, to be experts on how to grow specific service lines.

I think a great opportunity exists today for outside experts, like yourself, to help marketers (or administrators) do their job better.  Instead of being an order-taker (&quot;I&#039;ll have the #3 ad combo with some social media on the side&quot;), be a deal maker (&quot;We have a marketing system that will grow your market share in orthopedics by 20% in 18 months&quot;).  Bring new platforms and technologies to the table that are market-tested and ready for implementation.  Then charge a base subscription for use of the platform and a bonus for hitting certain measurable marks.

You and I both know that word about a great medical service line quickly spreads through a community.  A system for capturing and managing the relationships related to a strategic service line is what &quot;new&quot; marketing is all about.  The more quality service lines a hospital has, the more attention and referrals it will get, and the more its &quot;brand&quot; will be enhanced.  (To a point, of course.)

The Mac, iPod, iPhone, etc. made Apple &quot;Apple&quot;.  Toy Story, Nemo, Cars, etc. made Pixar &quot;Pixar&quot;.  OB services made Northside Hospital in Atlanta &quot;Northside&quot;.  Great products/services make great brands.  Not the other way around, right?

You guys have the talent, creativity and multi-hospital experience to take over some of the jobs hospital marketers need done (at the service line level), but they don&#039;t have the time to do well.

The beautiful thing here is that you should encourage these clueless &quot;experts&quot; to keep propping up the old rules, while you guys change the game and put them out of business!

How can Interval leverage its expertise and mastery of all tools in the marketing toolbox to move an important meter (patient volume, patient satisfaction, etc.) for hospitals?  Can Interval partner with service line management vendors to develop the marketing platform to complement their operational expertise (i.e. let them sell the hospitals with you)?

Of course, like the rise and fall of malls, hospitals need to realize that great &quot;stores&quot; can thrive anywhere in the community.  But if Interval&#039;s business is to grow medical service lines through marketing, instead of selling marketing services TO hospitals, you wouldn&#039;t be screwed as competition and new retail models emerge beyond hospitals - those companies would need marketing expertise too - your marketing expertise.

I have NO clue if any of that makes sense.  I&#039;ll re-read what I wrote in a week and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>We&#8217;re dealing with a lot of baggage and bias in the &#8220;hospital marketing&#8221; world, aren&#8217;t we?  Here&#8217;s a crazy line of thinking to stir discussion among agencies.</p>
<p>Hospitals are like malls, right?  The success of a mall is dependent on two primary factors: location and having the right stores.</p>
<p>Malls don&#8217;t really need to advertise.  What they really need are in-demand stores that attract attention and shoppers.  Commodity stores equal commodity malls.</p>
<p>Hospitals are no different.  What patients really want are great doctors and medical services (i.e. cancer care or OB or cosmetic surgery, etc.).  Services that their friends and family (and doctor) insist are great.</p>
<p>The hospital marketing department has too many plates spinning.  They&#8217;re dealing with media stories, planning and executing events, launching new programs, keeping the machine called marketing functioning.  They really have no time, unless they like to lose sleep, to be experts on how to grow specific service lines.</p>
<p>I think a great opportunity exists today for outside experts, like yourself, to help marketers (or administrators) do their job better.  Instead of being an order-taker (&#8220;I&#8217;ll have the #3 ad combo with some social media on the side&#8221;), be a deal maker (&#8220;We have a marketing system that will grow your market share in orthopedics by 20% in 18 months&#8221;).  Bring new platforms and technologies to the table that are market-tested and ready for implementation.  Then charge a base subscription for use of the platform and a bonus for hitting certain measurable marks.</p>
<p>You and I both know that word about a great medical service line quickly spreads through a community.  A system for capturing and managing the relationships related to a strategic service line is what &#8220;new&#8221; marketing is all about.  The more quality service lines a hospital has, the more attention and referrals it will get, and the more its &#8220;brand&#8221; will be enhanced.  (To a point, of course.)</p>
<p>The Mac, iPod, iPhone, etc. made Apple &#8220;Apple&#8221;.  Toy Story, Nemo, Cars, etc. made Pixar &#8220;Pixar&#8221;.  OB services made Northside Hospital in Atlanta &#8220;Northside&#8221;.  Great products/services make great brands.  Not the other way around, right?</p>
<p>You guys have the talent, creativity and multi-hospital experience to take over some of the jobs hospital marketers need done (at the service line level), but they don&#8217;t have the time to do well.</p>
<p>The beautiful thing here is that you should encourage these clueless &#8220;experts&#8221; to keep propping up the old rules, while you guys change the game and put them out of business!</p>
<p>How can Interval leverage its expertise and mastery of all tools in the marketing toolbox to move an important meter (patient volume, patient satisfaction, etc.) for hospitals?  Can Interval partner with service line management vendors to develop the marketing platform to complement their operational expertise (i.e. let them sell the hospitals with you)?</p>
<p>Of course, like the rise and fall of malls, hospitals need to realize that great &#8220;stores&#8221; can thrive anywhere in the community.  But if Interval&#8217;s business is to grow medical service lines through marketing, instead of selling marketing services TO hospitals, you wouldn&#8217;t be screwed as competition and new retail models emerge beyond hospitals &#8211; those companies would need marketing expertise too &#8211; your marketing expertise.</p>
<p>I have NO clue if any of that makes sense.  I&#8217;ll re-read what I wrote in a week and see.</p>
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		<title>Comment on #64: Interval&#8217;s 15th Anniversary by Bob Oakley</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/06/healthcare-marketing-insights-intervals-15th-anniversary/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on reaching a truly impressive milestone!

I did enjoy the segment on staying with branding.  It hits close to home - I&#039;ve been with companies that have hung on to identity elements too long, and others that change them like bedsheets.  Sometimes we put too much thought the identity side of the branding system and not enough into the real world experience.  That being said - it&#039;s sure a lot of fun to brainstorm about the meaning and emotion behind a few words than to figure out how to keep appointments on schedule or debating the value of a covered walk from the parking garage; but they all impact the brand in ways that are difficult to quantify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on reaching a truly impressive milestone!</p>
<p>I did enjoy the segment on staying with branding.  It hits close to home &#8211; I&#8217;ve been with companies that have hung on to identity elements too long, and others that change them like bedsheets.  Sometimes we put too much thought the identity side of the branding system and not enough into the real world experience.  That being said &#8211; it&#8217;s sure a lot of fun to brainstorm about the meaning and emotion behind a few words than to figure out how to keep appointments on schedule or debating the value of a covered walk from the parking garage; but they all impact the brand in ways that are difficult to quantify.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gettin’ paid by Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/05/gettin-paid/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 17:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also about increasing your relationship and engagement with Joe Public (remember, that Joe Public that doesn&#039;t really care about your hospital?)...measuring ROI of branding efforts (wellness or otherwise) is counter-intuitive and a slippery slope.

I sometimes wish more discretion on spending would occur with traditional forms of marketing (like billboards, radio, direct mail)...is 3% return really ROI? Or is it a huge waste of money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also about increasing your relationship and engagement with Joe Public (remember, that Joe Public that doesn&#8217;t really care about your hospital?)&#8230;measuring ROI of branding efforts (wellness or otherwise) is counter-intuitive and a slippery slope.</p>
<p>I sometimes wish more discretion on spending would occur with traditional forms of marketing (like billboards, radio, direct mail)&#8230;is 3% return really ROI? Or is it a huge waste of money?</p>
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		<title>Comment on #60: Ladies First by Adam Meyer</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/05/healthcare-marketing-insights-ladies-first/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 14:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I was on the right. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I was on the right. <img src='http://www.thinkinterval.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on #59: Anonymity by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkinterval.com/2010/05/healthcare-marketing-insights-anonymity/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 22:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are some cases that warrant a case for being anonymous when commenting on a blog. Outside of protecting whistle-blowers (which in some cases can be very useful: see http://www.jobvent.com, for example), commenters can sometimes help police and newspapers with key information in their investigative efforts.

For example in Illinois court it was argued that reporter&#039;s shield law protects the identity of blog anonymous commenters because the commenters were both &quot;persons&quot; and &quot;sources&quot; within the meaning of the Illinois law. The court ruling found:

&quot;The commentary section provides readers with a platform for discussing the case at their leisure. Bloggers feel the comfort, and sometimes too much comfort, of freely conversing with the protections normally provided through the expected anonymity of the Internet. A lack of these protections and/or anonymity might well have a chilling effect on future bloggers.&quot;

So, in terms of anonymity, even some courts find that removing the ability to comment without identifying yourself can dynamically shift the very construct and intent of blogging - a dangerous, slippery slope that I believe we don&#039;t want to go down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are some cases that warrant a case for being anonymous when commenting on a blog. Outside of protecting whistle-blowers (which in some cases can be very useful: see <a href="http://www.jobvent.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jobvent.com</a>, for example), commenters can sometimes help police and newspapers with key information in their investigative efforts.</p>
<p>For example in Illinois court it was argued that reporter&#8217;s shield law protects the identity of blog anonymous commenters because the commenters were both &#8220;persons&#8221; and &#8220;sources&#8221; within the meaning of the Illinois law. The court ruling found:</p>
<p>&#8220;The commentary section provides readers with a platform for discussing the case at their leisure. Bloggers feel the comfort, and sometimes too much comfort, of freely conversing with the protections normally provided through the expected anonymity of the Internet. A lack of these protections and/or anonymity might well have a chilling effect on future bloggers.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, in terms of anonymity, even some courts find that removing the ability to comment without identifying yourself can dynamically shift the very construct and intent of blogging &#8211; a dangerous, slippery slope that I believe we don&#8217;t want to go down.</p>
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